Octavia Minor

Eun-Byul Lee, a fearless and street-smart fighter, meets a tragic end in a car accident—only to awaken as Cecilia von Arlen, a minor character in a novel she once read. As Cecilia, a timid pushover fated to die tragically halfway through the story, Eun-Byul must use her wits and fighting spirit to change her destiny and survive in a world that was never meant to be hers.

[ Warning: Mature content R-18 ] Is death a new begining? For Max, it was. Max, a twenty-year-old virgin, got attacked by a bear in forest and died an untimely death. Fortunately for him... that wasn't the end to his story. In the next instant, he found himself transmigrated into the body of a noble's youngest son in a world full of Magic, wonders and... beautiful women. As if God was making up for his untimely death, he also got a system -The Lust System. "I can become stronger just by having sex?" Join the journey of Max and watch he have the time of his life and become the strongest mage the world had ever seen before. ______________________________ [Things to be noted] 1. From the title, you should've guessed it already but let me tell you the story will be filled with many sexual adventures. So... you are welcome to enjoy them..... 2. However... don't expect MC to have sexual relations with every woman he meets. I'll be focusing on the story, and would 'Try' not to blindly throw sex scenes left and right. 3. Most importantly, this is my first time writing so the the quality of first 50 or so may be a bit lacking (But it would cause you no problem if a few minor errors don't bother you). 4. It is a slow paced story. If you want everything to be explosive and fast, maybe this isn't for you. Important Note: If you enjoy the story then don't forget to vote your GTs, Power stones and also if you can, send some GIFTS too. This poor soul would appreciate it. Also check out My other work: [ Rise of the Strongest War God ] & [ My perverted devil system ] Happy reading~ ________________

Vol 1: The Unicorn's Forest Charlie Rivers is a 14-year old girl who is trying to get through high school without being noticed when she finds herself hearing a voice asking for help when she is only one of two who can hear it. She agrees, despite the fact the other person is someone she doesn't like. When she meets the 'voice' that needed help, she learns that it's a unicorn, yet she's the only one who seems to be able to see the horn. Everyone else thinks it's a horse. Charlie also learns that by having agreed to help the unicorn, she'd gotten herself involved with a group of friends, including the other person who can hear the unicorn, that she hadn’t been really involved with before. Not only is it changing her normal schedule drastically, given she hadn’t hung out with anyone before, but even her personal space seems under attack at times. As she continues to help the unicorn, she funds that going back to how she was isn’t as attractive as it had once been, before she was helping the unicorn but also she wonders if she really would want to. *Minor spoiler in the synopsis for vol. 2 if you haven't read vol. 1* Vol 2: Tip of Other Worlds Charlie and her friends begin traveling to other worlds in search of the world that the griffin canyon connects to. While they do that, Charlie finds herself torn with wanting to grow her relationship with Alex and beginning the expedition through different worlds. Then as the expedition begins, she finds more than she ever expected to find on other worlds, but ever in the back of her mind is the dream she had in which Beth, her best friend, dies in. A dream she's determined to keep from happening, even if she has to sacrifice the friendship that's come to mean so much to her. *Minor spoilers in vol. 3 synopsis* Vol. 3: Acclimating to a New World Charlie leaves her friends and is taken by The Lost. Her friends continue on and encounter a family who has the same disease they had just recovered from. While helping them, they learn about how this world is that of a matriarchal society and has been since ancient times. What that means they can't say, only that it's going to be awkward. Charlie comes to after a while, feeling like her brain had been I'm a fog and that she had been in a waking dream, only to find she's naked and in a kind of cage where she learns she's been taken as a slave. While she has no idea how this happened, she's determined to find a chance to successfully get out of that situation. Mature content will be either through implications or will only extend to the edge of it. The cover art was ai generated. If anyone has any thoughts or comments about this book they'd like to say, but not leave a record of it here, I can be contacted at etherelemental@gmail.com

Ren Kuroda, a college student and hardcore gamer, finally conquers Eternal Souls: Last Judgment, an unbeatable RPG, only to be met with a strange message on his screen. “Congratulations, Champion. Would you like to unlock the bonus stage?” When he clicks "Yes," he is transported straight into the game world, reborn as Terence Ross, the overlooked third son of a minor noble family. Realizing he’s just an extra in a world teetering on ruin, Ren trains relentlessly to survive the coming chaos. However, life wasn’t smooth sailing. He was soon engaged to Lilith Underwood, the girl destined to become the game’s final boss, the Third Great Calamity. To avoid her devastating future, Ren takes a risky approach, trying to make Lilith emotionally dependent on him in the hopes of anchoring her humanity. Yet, his plan backfires spectacularly. Lilith’s attachment becomes a fierce obsession, one that could be just as dangerous as her dark powers. Now, as doom inches closer, Ren faces a double-edged crisis. He must keep Lilith’s powers in check while somehow surviving her unrelenting need to keep him by her side. In a world where even heroes fall, can an extra rewrite his fate? Or will he be claimed by the calamity he tried to prevent? ----- 100 power stones = 1 extra chapter

I woke up in the world of my own story as Julius Vaelorian, a minor villain destined for a brutal death. Now, I have to rewrite my fate before the plot catches up to me.

A man suddenly finds himself inside the world of his favorite game, Brave Hearts, after a night of gaming... Mistaken for “Raye Alvah,” the ruffian second son of a duke, he faces hostility from strangers and is publicly disowned by the noble family! And as he pieces together his strange new reality, he realizes he’s living as a minor villain destined to be forgotten after being defeated by the protagonist! And now... "Fuck this shit, why did it happen to me?" He must adapt to survive in this world.

The world is inhabited by two types of people: Humans and Irregulars. While Humans, who make up the majority, enjoy equality across different classes and cultures, Irregulars are a marginalized minority often kept separate from society. Their supernatural abilities, either inherited or awakened during adolescence, mark them as different, and often, dangerous. Three unique perspectives are about to collide: Elliot: A foster kid who stumbles into the wrong place at the wrong time, only to discover that he is an Irregular. Up until now, he's lived as a human, but his world is about to change in ways he never expected. Wendy: A determined young cop searching for her missing partner. While investigating a restricted area, she encounters Elliot and takes him in for questioning, unaware that this meeting will change the course of her mission. Devlon: A boy classified as an Irregular for as long as he can remember, kept hidden from the public eye. His life has been one of isolation-until now. With society pushing for Irregulars and Humans to integrate, tensions are rising. Each of these three faces a world that demands change, but how they respond could alter the future for both groups. When their small worlds collide, will events finally lead to peace between humans and irregulars? Or will this spark a new conflict altogether?

"Compassion. Tell me, what is compassion? Is it a virtue? Or a weakness? A sign of naivety, or wisdom? Or is it one of those ideals that treads the line of ruin and preservation, an unfathomable ideal who's understanding surpasses the mortal mind; only being truly understood by the gods. Mortals struggle with it, wielding compassion like a sword from which they use by holding its blade not handle..." Growing up Reshi never lived a good life. His life had either been bad or worse, or sometimes just bad waiting to happen. Then life decided to crank it up a notch. His family died. Then he died. Then he got slapped by a deity and wacked into the world of his new favourite novel. Here perhaps you maybe thinking he was living a life of riches. Was he the main character? Was he living a life of riches and joy? Was he gifted cheats and powers beyond belief? Was he a cool extra, loved by others and leading a simple life, only being unfortunately dragged into the plotline due to his outstanding moral. Well, partially. He definitely wasn't loved. Not when he transmigrated into the body of Arthur Gravewalker. The Son of the Duke on the modern world of Pandora where humans settled after leaving Earth hundreds of years ago. He was a minor antagonist, not even one that appeared in the main story, with at least a couple of chapters outlining his villainous ways! No, he was some antagonist used to spice up the past of one of the main cast during a flashback scene in the book. So peace was a thing Reshi wouldn't find even in this life. No, he'd have to work for it. Fight for it, give everything he had to suffer and claw to strength, so that finally. He might actually be able to live in peace.

A novel bout a young boy from a struggling family and his rise to football stardom entailing all his struggles, drama, difficulties and choices through the help of a system. P.S: no face slapping or cliche OP Ness. Authors note: thank you so much guys for joining the club, it's my first novel and English is my second language. So please bear with the errors and give me feedbacks to improve the novel, thanks a lot guys for the support. The first few chapters may have some minor grammatical errors and might be short (nothing big) like I said above ☝️. I've been trying to fix as many errors as possible but there might be a few ( I'm a human being). I post one chapter daily # support ********** This novel is a work of fiction. While it references real organizations, locations, and events, the characters, storylines, and specific depictions are created by the author. The names, characteristics, and actions of individuals within the story are purely fictional and any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, is coincidental. This work is not endorsed by, nor affiliated with, any football club, league, or organization. All references to real teams, events, or organizations are used for fictional purposes, and the portrayals within this book do not reflect real-world actions, views, or affiliations.

Existence was divided into three realms. The Heavenly Realm. The Earthen Realm. The Infernal Realm. Below them, countless minor realms of all types existed, none able to match the might of any of the Three Fundamental realms. The Celestials led the Heavenly Realm, The Immortals led the Earthen Realm and Demons led the Infernal Realm while the Rulers controlled all the minor realms. Together, they formed The Myriad Unity and allowed peace to reign supreme. The mortals were allowed to cultivate and reach for the Heavens as a balance was installed between the Heaven and Earth, all according to the Heaven’s Will. And yet, among the billions of trillions of living beings within the Myriad Unity, one seemed unsatisfied. “They are lying to us.” This man went against all known truths and contradicted the very gods. “We are in a false world! Mere pawns used to study an outcome!” And so in search of freedom and truth, this man committed the ultimate taboo. He rebelled.

What do the words Third-Rate Villain mean? Doesn't every human being possess their own background story? Just because a game hadn't explored one's background story, does it mean those characters are irrelevant? In a world where video games come to life, Astron Natusalune is introduced as a seemingly insignificant character—a third-rate villain with a minor role. However, this ordinary facade belies a haunting past that has shaped Astron into the vengeful soul he has become. Someone who would do everything for his vengeance. What will occur if Astron's soul combines with one from Earth? Will he relinquish his position as a third-rate villain, or will he forge a new path? Driven by a singular purpose—to avenge his sister's tragic death and bring justice to a cruel world—Astron embarks on a transformative journey. Witness the journey of the Astron as the young boy experiences a profound shift in his own values as he witnesses firsthand the consequences of unchecked vengeance and the true complexities of morality. -----------------------------------0------------------------------------ Chapter length 1750-2500 At least one chapter a day. You can check my discord if you want. You will be able to see the illustrations here and engage in a conversation with me if I am available. https://discord.gg/qRknX5hTur ---------------------------0------------------------------ Business E-mail: yusuftalhayasar@outlook.com Discord: _yty_

Transmigrating into a Yuri-themed Xianxia world, Ye Anping found himself as an unnamed cannon fodder with poor cultivation aptitude, a cannon fodder who is destined to meet a tragic end at the hands of a minor antagonist when he was fifteen. Ye Anping felt a sense of despair. Fortunately, he was only four years old now, and by his side was a junior sister with exceptional aptitude. Ten years later, the junior sister had grown up, becoming not only more beautiful but also stronger, and she caught the attention of the dashing female protagonist. Then, instead of going with the protagonist, his junior sister pin him down to the ground instead, and began to strip. Ye Anping: “Junior Sister, I am your senior brother, you…” ___________________________ If you want to see more chapter of this story, please go to my Patreon or Ko-Fi https://www.patreon.com/ZaztraVandesh419 https://ko-fi.com/yeanping

Calia is one of the few magically gifted. Recently turned 19, she is forced to attend a magical academy by law and tradition. Betrothed to the son of a powerful noblewoman, she has no choice but to find a way out of her predicament. However, the academy isn’t as straightforward as it seems—devils lurk in the shadows. A special condition plagues her, requiring her to partake in sensual activities to ease her magic. Lewd moments ensue. This story contains many adult elements. Read at your own discretion. What to expect: Developing magic system Conspiratorial politics Sexy moments Lewd scenes Minor Xianxia elements Updates Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays.

Have you ever wondered what it would feel like if your dick exploded? Or if voodoo or black magic actually worked? Axel got a crash course in both after leaving a one-star review for a trashy smut novel where the hapless author-san offed a minor villain. Little did he know that this particular author had some serious power. Suddenly, Axel found himself in the body of the very villain he was lamenting, right at the moment when everything was about to spiral into chaos. Now, with a second chance at life (and a brand-new set of problems), Axel must navigate the wild world of villainy—complete with explosive consequences and dark magic—if he wants to rewrite his story before it ends in disaster.

Elwin Warbringer, the cherished son of Queen Morgana in the matriarchal realm of Sunhaven, has always been adored by his powerful family. But as the only brother to four fiercely competitive sisters vying for the throne, Elwin yearns for something more than royal favoritism. Reborn into this reversed world after a tragic end in his past life, he dreams of finding a love strong enough to match his ideals. “Why is Octavia, the Hero, panting while she looks at me?” sighing Yes it’s another Gender Role Reversal Story from me. This time the setting is a magical academy. This MC isn’t afraid to try different kind’s of relationships out but is still very much a monogamist. No harem. Yandere. Some smut but mostly plot. No harem!

Spaceships. Orbital stations. Virtual worlds. Incomprehensible aliens. A pan-galactic society where humanity is a minority. Humanoid robots. Artificial intelligences. Journeys beyond the universe. Time travel. Psi powers. Space battles. Distant gods. Video games. Servers where one can live their afterlife. Utopian societies. The Blind Gods have all this and more.

El, a diligent top student in the nursing department, was the pride of his professors and a model of hard work and discipline. After earning his license as a registered nurse, he seemed destined for success—until his relentless drive pushed him too far. Overworked and exhausted, El's life came to an abrupt end. But death was not the end of his story. El wakes up in an unfamiliar world as Cael Baker, a minor character doomed to a tragic fate, caught in the crossfire of feuding protagonists in a tale he doesn’t recognize. Stripped of his quiet, structured life, El must navigate a world of intrigue and danger while grappling with the question: Can he rewrite Cael’s story and find peace, or will his new life be just as chaotic as the last?

*WARNING: Minor Girls and boys should stay away!* When an introverted nobody meets an untimely and embarrassing end in his bathroom, his journey doesn’t end there. Reincarnated in an urban world as a father, he finds out his son is destined Heavenly Child —a young man blessed by the heavens with unimaginable fate—he’s thrust into a life filled with fame, power, riches, and women. But this isn’t a typical shit story. While many 'noobie' seems like the main character in a classic hero’s tale, 'Alex' our reincarnated middleman decides to forge his own path. Navigating the intricate webs of powerful families, he reshapes his fate using sharp wit, newfound confidence, and an unexpected advantage to pursue everything he’s ever dreamed of. But why does his son, blessed with unimaginable potential, live as a son-in-law to a third-rate family? As mysteries unfold, revelations of magic, cultivation, and an impending apocalypse emerge. And why a daughter? How will she fit into this intricate web of destiny? Note/Warning: This novel is entirely fictional. Events, characters, and settings are not based on the real world and will evolve according to reader wishes. Expect updates a minimum of 4 chapters per week (unless the author decides otherwise). Join a tale of ambition, power, and family dynamics in a world where the lines between protagonist and supporting characters blur. Who will truly claim the throne of destiny? Discord - https://discord.gg/z58YWdEDYc Tags: Evil, R18, NTR (MC cuckolding others), demons etc..

[Connection restored with a new Host.] [Due to the new connection, the Player's level has been reset to Level 1.] After being suddenly disconnected, Will, who was about to reach Level 1.000, woke up in the body of Su Login, a young failure who had no talent for cultivation. There was a problem there, Will was arrogant and would never bow his head to anyone, he couldn't allow his lack of cultivation talent to make him a victim of the Geniuses and Immortals. Although his cultivation didn't have a future, the System had accompanied him to that world, allowing him to advance in Level. Could this, coupled with his experience as a 'Player', allow him to be a peer even with an Immortal? Without understanding much about the common sense of that world, Su Login decided that he would evolve and return to the apex. His goal? Power! He wanted to become the strongest in the world! And anyone who got in his way should simply be eliminated. 600 Power Stones = +1 Extra Chapter Discord Community: https://discord.gg/eWf7xeum94 ************ Contents ************ Arc 01: Plain of The Ancient Peach Tree (ongoing) - Volume 01: Starting Over With a New System (01-16) - Volume 02: The Peach Tree Trial (ongoing) - Volume 03: The War of the Minor Sects Arc 02: Infernal Volcano Arc 03: Submerged City Arc 04: Mount Weiwei Arc 05: Endless Dungeon

This world is a predatory one. It swallows endless worlds and pits them against one another in a checkerboard of kingdoms. The weak are eaten, while the strong vie for resources and land. A grand system overlays this multifarious world, in which killing grants experience, and experience grants leveling up and greater strength. The core of any great city are dungeons, living entities which spawn randomly in the world. A dungeon core is one of the most valuable items in the world, and to capture one is a golden ticket to wealth and fame. Kingdoms rule the land, but people become heroes. Those who exhaust their blood to overcome their limits, those who crossed over from another world, those who fate shines upon, even those who died and regressed in time to their younger selves. One particular dungeon core was born from the darkness, a flawed entity which was more than it seemed. ---------------------- I do not own the Book Cover artwork, I did some minor editing on it, but all appreciations should go to the original artist (Or those who I believe are) Background: https://www.deviantart.com/chateaugrief/art/Forestiere-Underground-Gardens-756257251 Elf: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/QzmA1B (I actually got this from somewhere else, but I found the original creator) **This book is not intended for anyone under the age of 18**

Ethan a former deliquent bully cocky Jock is reincarnated as Rian, a minor lackey working for the story’s main villain—a tyrannical dark lord. However, Rian soon realizes he’s living in a world that follows the plot of a fantasy novel he read in his past life. The dark lord is destined to be defeated by the hero, and Rian is fated to die as cannon fodder.

When Gu Xuejiao woke up, she found herself in the body of the arrogant and willful stepsister of the male lead in a novel. Her sole purpose in the story seemed to be ruining the relationship between the male and female leads. In short, she was just another minor antagonist. Recalling her character’s tragic ending—a desolate and miserable demise—Gu Xuejiao decided to take a different path. Instead of meddling in others’ affairs, she chose to focus on the Wu San workbooks she had diligently practiced in her previous life. The Cheng family, however, was stunned. The rebellious girl who used to be a constant source of worry suddenly asked, with a calm and serious expression, “Do you think I should apply to Tsinghua University or Beijing University?” The Cheng family: … For advanced chapters: patreon.com/Maggie329

Our protagonist was an ordinary guy with an aspiration to be called hero, yet people mistook his actions. Until one day he woke up to find himself in the very world of an anime he watched for the first time. But he isn't the protagonist—instead, he's a minor bullied character who never even appeared in the series. Determined not to get involved with the main characters for fear of changing the plot, he plans to stay in the background to plan for his future and let the protagonist handle everything. However, fate has a different surprise for him. As events unfold, he realizes that he may have a bigger role to play than he ever imagined. Can he navigate this new reality without altering the story, or will he have to step up to shoulder the responsibility he took upon himself? Discover the twists and turns in this fresh new Rom-com series Altered Reality. Note: Please endure the slow pace in the first couple of chapters, it gets interesting as the story unfold, trust me ;). Note: This story is heavily inspired by the anime Re:zero and the manhwa Webtoon character Na Kang Lim, both are awesome, give it a try if you haven't yet. You can call it a rip off version of them, if you please, LMAO. But hey, this story has it's own plot, objective, goal, characters, and ending, which i hope you will find it enjoyable. And if you do, please support it to the least you can, thanks.

Leon’s life was one of hardship: orphaned young, drafted into the army at 16-17, and shattered by gambling after returning to civilian life. When all seemed lost, his fate shifted. [SSS-Rank Kingdom-Building System Activated] [Status: Basic Functions Active] [Potential Unlocked: 0%] Initially, the system provided only minor aid in a medieval world dominated by strength and cunning. But Leon’s ambition fueled its evolution. Armed with military experience, a sharp mind, and a system bridging worlds, Leon sets out to dismantle the existing empire and forge his own, rising from a wanderer to a kingdom builder who reshapes the world. --- Tags: Harem / R18 / World Building / Kingdom Building / System / Modern Knowledge / Empire Building / Strategy / Manipulation / Political Intrigue / Power Struggle / Ambition / Adventure UNDER CONSTRUCTION THE STORY IS CURRENTLY BEING REWRITTEN. ADD TO YOUR COLLECTION AND READ LATER.

When Nero wakes up in the body of a teenager named Navarro, he quickly realizes that the world he now inhabits is the setting of a horror romance novel he once read. In that story, Navarro was nothing more than a minor villain—the neglected son of a wealthy, conflict-ridden family—whose tragic demise served only to further the protagonist’s development. But Nero has no intention of following the predetermined script. With his new identity, he is determined to escape Navarro’s doomed fate, even if it means avoiding conflict with the protagonist and the other main characters. The problem is, Navarro’s life is far from easy. Ignored by a family that cares more for their other children, he has grown into a lonely and wounded figure. Now, Nero must navigate Navarro’s isolation and suffering while struggling to survive in a world seemingly designed to break him. Armed with his intelligence and a personality unlike the original Navarro’s, Nero seeks to rewrite his fate—not as a villain, but as someone worthy of a happy ending. Yet, can he defy a story that seems intent on dragging him back into his old role? Through this journey, Nero learns that being Navarro isn’t just about avoiding a tragic death—it’s about discovering what it truly means to live.

Saito Anzhong one day was in a military meeting when the next thing he knew, he was being stabbed like Julius Ceaser. Right before he took his final breath, he woke up in a cave, in someone else's body! Soon after, he realizes that he woke up in the body of Lev Griffins, who is a minor villain in the novel, "How to Kill Demons Without Dying." Unfortunately for him, Lev is someone who the protagonist absolutely hates. The protagonist ends up killing him for almost achieving his long awaited revenge and for deciving him. But there is one thing good going for him, he transmigrated before Lev had met the Protagonist. Wanting to not get involved in any major plot events involving the protagonist or the main villain, the demon king, he tries his best to avoid any of the main characters at all cost. Unfortunately though, he has pursuers, who are out for his heart. =============================================== I apologize if i get anything wrong when talking about something that is in real life as well, because this is the first thing that i have officially written and posted on any form of a platform. Oh, it will also sometimes be changing from 1st person to 3rd person in the chapters i just thought it would make more sense in those different forms of writing. Also i promise the story is much better then the synopsis. I SWEAR I DIDN'T MAKE THAT THE NAME OF THE MCs HOME ON PURPOSE, I just realized to late, as in 40 chapters late. My bad Average word/chapter = 2.2k #LGBT+ #FANTASY #SCIENCE-FICTION #OVERPOWERED #SLIGHT-COMEDY #SLIGHT-ROMANCE #MYSTERY #SLIGHT-HORROR #HAREM

The cultivation world is not for the weak, the journey to the top has always been filled with bloodshed. Those with weak willpower will be trampled to death. In a world where Cultivation Arts made it possible to shatter mountains and drain the seas, only with power can one survive. Kyrell Zade Evander, a transmigrated earthling found himself thrown into the chaotic world of cultivation as the Young Master of a Minor Clan. With the Spirit Serpent Art as the foundation along with his A.I. and Nanobots, he shall traverse the treacherous path to Immortality and become a Divine Being. —- Please support me in WSA 2025 by voting power stones, leaving reviews, and comments. Thank you!

Liam was the top-tier who became the first player to complete the final goal of an online erotic RPG (Xianxia Eroge) by conquering and dominating two of the most difficult Female NPC. But then a strange link transformed his life, sending him to the games world as a minor villain, a minor enemy of Righteousness. Will he survive or will he control the realm of XIANXIA EROGE!? ------ [Mature content: 18+ start frequently at chapter 20]

not suitable for minors is serious do not read Jhin is an exemplary father, friend and husband always watching over his family and friends to have a decent life but everything has an end It was a normal work day Jhin and his colleagues have a tragic accident with some chemical containers killing most of the team, being the only survivor Jhin is practically unrecognizable, the chemicals in addition to the deformations on his skin and face also cause side effects on his body until he reaches despair until the seventh day, of the seventh month, in the seventh year, a woman who claims to call herself one of the original seven sins orders him to satisfy her ego in exchange for rewards but with punishments if she does not do it well Jhin has to perform any wicked act to receive his gifts if you are looking for justice, moral values or something similar this is not your cup of tea "follow your path"

Rudra was a comprehension genius living as the servant in a martial family ostracized by the fellows people in the family because of his looks and his inability to cultivate exiled from the family. forced to fend for himself in the outskirts. miraculously after a minor accident he now has the ability to cultivate. Witness his story as with his terrifying comprehension talent and now his ability to cultivate he changes his destiny forever, opening him up to a world he would never experienced, people he would have never met, and powers he would have never had.