As they rode the elevator to the meeting, Pastorus continued to try and apologize to Chuck until he looked at him and sternly rebuked him saying, "Pastorus, apologizing to me and begging my forgiveness isn't going to earn you any brownie points because you are here to answer to God for your sins. So you should be concentrating more on seeking His forgiveness than on seeking mine. Now save your breath and my time so that you can answer for yourself when we get there." Pastorus dejectedly fell silent and rode the rest of the way there with his head bowed in servitude